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Wow, interesting and ambitious. It almost sounds like an improved
Disney park. Short of mis-glorifying all the ways that people have
lived in the area for a couple decamillennia. I think ol Walt
Disney himself wanted something in the vein for DisneyWorld Resort
before it was vetoed by others. Like an actual "Experimental
Proto-type Community Of Tomorrow" (EPCOT) but the LC model sounds
like it will have room for more references, more historic
accuracy, more openness to the thousands of years of Native models
and hence not by necessity colonist as an "end goal" (or
I am super interested. I am also interested in getting to know
and honor the descendants of original inhabitants of whatever
region "selects us" for this caring ecological model (e.g.
Coconino, Zuni, Yavapai, Apache, Navajo, Hopi, Apache, Pueblo,
Mexican, Spanish, etc.). I would guess some native folks would be
highly interested in promoting a Dark Sky community done in this
I think I'd find myself weeding, and tending in the gardens or
growing spaces ... and the kitchen a lot. :)
On 5/28/20 1:31 AM, Bennett Jones via
This LC model site plan contains no single family homes. The
closest thing to that would be an RV in the Campground. The site
plan is a very simplified bare bones version, prior to site
The version based on a site currently available here in a remote
area of the Chihuahuan Desert (Big Bend region of Texas) is much
more developed. The road side businesses are the "town" and
designed in a historic 1890's - 1912 Western style. The idea is
to actually represent a time-line from around 13,000 BP (the
Museum) to the future (the Science facilities) - think Steam
Punk meets Star Trek. The base is a working "Living History"
Farm/ Agriculture Experiment Station. The "town" buildings have
two "fronts", one on the highway side for public access by
automobile, and one on the community side that is car-free.
Each Department "home" has 12 adjoining Bed Rooms, which can be
grouped together as needed for a family, and a common
Kitchen/Dinning area that is used two days/week when the
community Kitchen staff has time off. The base Bed Room unit
would offer minimal features, and would be very affordable.
There is a "Hotel" in the same format, above the "Saloon"- think
ice cold organic root beer & ginger ale on tap, plus fresh
fruit smoothies, with cards (The Civil Four) and board games,
and a piano of course.
The community is reversed in many ways from a "normal"
community. Instead of taxes and fees being used to subsidize
businesses, business profits would subsidized the residents. The
plan is to have the whole complex profitable enough so as to be
able to offer scholarships to some who could not otherwise
afford to be an owner/resident. Approved items and supplies are
purchased in bulk at the community level, and would be available
to residents at a discount.
Because of the tourism already in place (plus the additional
folks drawn in by the Campground and all the scientists and
students who would be rotating through), for the permanent
residents who want to spend some time in the public areas, the
community would deliver a lot of the good points of traveling
without actually having to leave home. With the on-site storage
units, it would also be the perfect home base for travelers.
Because of the features, this community would have more to
appeal to motivated younger folks than any community currently
in this region. You could also think of this as the equivalent
of a Star Fleet Academy training program for colonists.
Adding Mirador to the model would just expand the Astronomy
facilities sub-campus to include more residence options.
Thank you for sharing your ideas;
On Wednesday, May 27, 2020, 11:15:41 PM CDT, maxeem
That list of values in the Articles sounds really
My sense of community has been installed "damaged?"
from dominant culture's definitions. And talking with
a lot of folks, that seems to be the case for more
than myself. So lifestyle that feels "familiar" but
better could be a draw.
Not sure if this helps but when I visited Moora-Moora (a
cohousing community with several sub-villages, I guess
sometimes called an ecovillage?) they expressed some
dissatisfaction with the amount of turn-over. It seemed
it was losing investors (i.e. residents) faster than it
was gaining them. Even as slowly as the time it takes
for younger generations to move out and not return.
One thing that maybe could have helped in such a case
may be to have one sharehouse, not necessarily among
the single-family homes but a part of the community.
That is, a big place with people sharing close
quarters. It's my preferred community style and it's
sometimes not present in otherwise great communities
that have a very imposing entry price for hard working
community members, besides any additional HOA type
agreements. This would have given me a home, given
potential new friend(s) an entry point, allow some
renters, and create a sub-culture that is exciting,
multicultural and hopefully blends naturally with a
welcoming invitation to any privileges made available
for long-term stayers. Some of the short-term folks
ending up becoming long-term folks, ideally, I guess.
It may not apply to what you're discussing, but just
thought I would toss in the idea about what
replenishes my sense of community.
4:56 PM, Bennett Jones via groups.io wrote:
Hi Ms. Villines,
To be clear, the plan (as is) represents an example of
the process (not original to me)* I use and, while not
developed specifically for Mirador, is Mirador
compatible. This was to allow me to communicate more
clearly with Dave some of the ideas, issues, and
processes that would need to be addressed with the
development of Mirador (or any Intentional Community).
I explained to him - the site plan "bubble drawing" is
a representation of a design technique I use when
starting the process with a client. The "bubbles"
represent functions of structures, and are not to
scale, but merely represent relative location at this
stage. When applied to an actual site, this allows for
the establishment of the permanent roads and for
community level utilities (if any) to be fixed. From
here the details are worked out, then the priority
order and stages of construction (including potential
future additional development) can be sorted. (It also
allows you to immediately set limits on vehicle access
- to limit areas of soil compaction - and to plant
trees as soon as possible.)
At this stage we are dealing with concepts, such as:
-the relative access and exposure of the structures to
the Hwy from more public to more private.
-the minimizing of expensive and land consuming paved
private roads needed for heavy vehicles.
-the relative positions of structures in order to
-etc., etc. etc. (King and I :)
To your points:
Appearance - I'm glad to hear you think it looks like
a university. That is the "feel" I was going for with
that project. And, the education function of the
community is a high priority with me.
Funding - As with all my projects, I plan for a
"staged" (tight budget, pay as you go) approach unless
it is specified in advance the funding is available
up-front for the entire project (including a source
for maintenance/repair/replacement funding).
Regardless, the total site plan is ideally the same.
That is, I design for best case, then build to
Dark Sky - This project was conceived as a Dark Sky
Community to be built in a dark sky designated area.
The difference is, this community was to exceed all
current standards in that regard. There are too many
details to list here, but three quick examples: 1) All
exterior lighting is ultimately under the authority of
the Astronomy Section Team Leader (within the Science
Department). 2) All exterior doorways are to be
lighted with minimally sufficient lumen, spectrum
limited, full cutoff, hands free motion sensor and
photo cell controlled fixtures which are fitted with
switches to override the auto-on function when needed.
All exterior paths are to be surfaced with high albedo
material and where ever possible covered as much as
practical with a canopy of vegetation.
Visually (and otherwise) Impaired - Since spending
some time years ago in direct patient care, are my
designs have incorporated "Universal Design" features.
This project was conceived literally as a "Cradle to
Grave" community. The reality is - everyone, unless a
victim of premature death, will become visually
impaired to some degree. (I want to live in a Dark Sky
Community... even when I'm blind, but then I've never
claimed to be "normal", and I have "vision" - even
with my eyes closed :)
There are many things about this design and the
associated "Articles of Agreement" (including the
"Policies and Procedures") of a : pet-free, remote,
non-violent, family-friendly, self-sufficient, charity
and service and heath and wellness and stewardship and
education oriented, vegan, beyond organic restorative
farm based, drug-free, Science focused, alternative
"schooling", multi-age learning, non-political,
off-grid, Dark Sky, etc., etc. etc....
birth/retirement community - that will discourage most
folks, But they are already living somewhere. This
(like Mirador) is a place designed to be built for a
permanent core of 72-144 radical extremist
At this point in my life, am only interested in living
in the cohousing area, but I recommend starting any
remote construction project with the Campground.
I very much appreciated you sharing your feedback.
* Unfortunately I have long lost the identity of the
originator of the "bubble" design technique, so I can
not relay the credit due.
On Wednesday, May 27, 2020, 12:46:30 PM
CDT, Sharon Villines via groups.io <sharon@...>
I looked at the site plan — it looks
like a university! Do you have a plan for
major funding or a phased plan? With that
many buildings and that many things going
on, how do you keep it dark?
One of my posts
to the Cohousing-L list was in response
to a community that wanted to reduce
their “light footprint” by eliminating
lights along the sidewalks. I know night
vision is supposed to develop once you
are out of unnaturally lit environments,
but it is also widely variable. Some
people just can’t see very well and it
isn’t obvious until they are expected to
see what other people see.
I once had an
argument with about whether the bathroom
door sign should be on the door or on
the wall beside it. A team member said
it had to be on the wall because if the
door was open, no one would see it. "But
they wouldn’t need to see the sign
because they could see it was a
bathroom.” She said, “No they couldn’t.”
I finally took her over to look. Even
with the light immediately in front of
the door off, I could see this was the
bathroom. Toilet and sink clearly
visible. She could see neither one. It
was a dark room. One she wouldn’t have
stepped into without turning on the
light. And unless she knew it as the
bathroom, she wouldn’t have turned on
Needless to say
the sign went on the wall beside the
One can trust
that someone with vision issues wouldn’t
choose to be located in a Dark Sky
Community but it is also quite likely
that they don’t realize they have a
problem until they are actually moved
in. This woman is still unaware that she
has vision limitations.
reason is aging. One of the first signs
of cataracts is dimming vision. And
oddly the cataracts are a dull tan
color. They block light from entering
the eye. At night this obvious before
the person notices something wrong
during the day. One sees something like
a dense cobweb obscuring vision.
know this but others on the list may
not. My point being that the larger and
more varied the complex the more
considerations you have adjust for in
the participants in order to build a
diverse and inclusive community.
You know your
audience and I don’t, but I’m biased in
favor of starting with cohousing.