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Re: Rancho Hidalgo

Lonnie Dittrick
 

Hi Dave, as Steve can attest, getting cooperation/participation among the landowners is quite a challenge, but perhaps some headway can be made.  I am not sure of the best way to motivate individuals, especially when they were hit hard on their investment(s).  You would have to replace the original concept we all bought into with a new one, obviously on a smaller scale.  

Goldendale Sky Village

David Oesper
 

Check out the Focal Point on p. 84 in the October 2020 issue of Sky & Telescope, "It Takes a Village". This is not a residential astronomy community, per se, but they do plan to accommodate RVs. Always a happy occasion when something like this gets established.

Incidentally, the Focal Point article I wrote about Mirador Astronomy Village was rejected because this article was in the hopper first, and is quite obviously further along than our project.

Dave

Re: Rancho Hidalgo

David Oesper
 

Thanks, Sharon, this is very helpful information (both of your notes) and gives us some good options. Will be reporting back after I have done a bit more research about the current zoning and deed restrictions.

And Lonnie, thanks for posting the beautiful photo looking east from your property at Rancho Hidalgo!

Steve, I think you're right, the HOA never was put into place, and I don't think the county has much in the way of zoning beyond the original deed restrictions outlined in the 2010 disclosure document I received a copy of from the county assessor, so we have some flexibility...I think. Of course, the other landowners would have to go along with anything we propose.

Dave

Re: Rancho Hidalgo

Lonnie Dittrick
 

Here is a shot I took from our lot (14) looking east toward the Peloncillo Mountains.  It was especially nice as it was taken after some heavy rains the week before. 

On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 9:52 PM Lissa Bengtson <lissabengtson@...> wrote:
I don't know how to find this on a map.  I googled it and can't seem to make it work anywhere.

Lissa

On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 8:48 AM Lonnie Dittrick <Ldittrick1955@...> wrote:
Here is the original plat map

On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 12:43 AM David Oesper via groups.io <oesper=mac.com@groups.io> wrote:

All,

If anyone is interested in seeing where Rancho Hidalgo is, here are the coordinates of one of the entrances (if memory serves me correctly)—I haven't been there in a while.

31 56 38 N, 108 53 56 W Elevation: 4426 ft.

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Re: Rancho Hidalgo

Steve Taylor
 

The Rancho Hidalgo scheme all collapsed, with jail sentences for the principals, barely any of the expected infrastructure was ever introduced, and the intended HOA was as far as I can tell never put in place.
So its still the Wild West ;-)


On Thu, 6 Aug 2020 at 14:27, Sharon Villines via groups.io <sharon=sharonvillines.com@groups.io> wrote:
> On Aug 3, 2020, at 11:42 PM, David Oesper via groups.io <oesper=mac.com@groups.io> wrote:

> Just curious, if I wanted to build a small cohousing community on the 4 acres I own at Rancho Hidalgo, would I be allowed to do that?

This depends almost entirely on local zoning, but it has also been possible in many areas to get variances. Have the property rezoned a multi-family. If a lot size is required for each house, get permission to cluster the houses to leave open space on the  rest of the land.

The other restrictions would be related to infrastructure — sewer, electricity, water, etc. Even if you plan to do all of those yourself, there may be restrictions on how you do that. The reasoning is that towns want all housing to meet minimum safety standards.

One community got permission to build at the junction of several plots by clustering the houses that otherwise required several acres each. Overall there was still the minimum acreage for each house just not around and between each house.

Some have advised building up instead of out. It is less expensive (I’ve been told) to build up and leaves the land bare. This will have other zoning restrictions. In DC at Takoma Village we have 43 apts and townhouses on a little more than 1 acre. I don’t think Eastern Village in Bethesda MD has any land around the building. Maybe a few feet of grass in the front. They rehabbed an old office building into 50+ units.

But Hidalgo may have few restrictions if it is remote. However, conforming to national or local building codes will probably be necessary for insurance and financing.

Sharon
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Re: Rancho Hidalgo

Sharon Villines
 

In many states now all the documents about ownership and residency are public and online. For a modest fee you can download PDFs. That may be faster than a clerk getting them for you — and asking questions about what you want. There may be things in the records that you might not have known to ask for.

Sharon
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Re: Rancho Hidalgo

Sharon Villines
 

On Aug 3, 2020, at 11:42 PM, David Oesper via groups.io <oesper=mac.com@groups.io> wrote:
Just curious, if I wanted to build a small cohousing community on the 4 acres I own at Rancho Hidalgo, would I be allowed to do that?
This depends almost entirely on local zoning, but it has also been possible in many areas to get variances. Have the property rezoned a multi-family. If a lot size is required for each house, get permission to cluster the houses to leave open space on the rest of the land.

The other restrictions would be related to infrastructure — sewer, electricity, water, etc. Even if you plan to do all of those yourself, there may be restrictions on how you do that. The reasoning is that towns want all housing to meet minimum safety standards.

One community got permission to build at the junction of several plots by clustering the houses that otherwise required several acres each. Overall there was still the minimum acreage for each house just not around and between each house.

Some have advised building up instead of out. It is less expensive (I’ve been told) to build up and leaves the land bare. This will have other zoning restrictions. In DC at Takoma Village we have 43 apts and townhouses on a little more than 1 acre. I don’t think Eastern Village in Bethesda MD has any land around the building. Maybe a few feet of grass in the front. They rehabbed an old office building into 50+ units.

But Hidalgo may have few restrictions if it is remote. However, conforming to national or local building codes will probably be necessary for insurance and financing.

Sharon
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Re: Rancho Hidalgo

David Oesper
 

Hi Lissa,

Try this:

https://goo.gl/maps/VPpUBdaMqkwzjnWUA

Thanks,

Dave

Re: Rancho Hidalgo

Lissa Bengtson
 

I don't know how to find this on a map.  I googled it and can't seem to make it work anywhere.

Lissa

On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 8:48 AM Lonnie Dittrick <Ldittrick1955@...> wrote:
Here is the original plat map

On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 12:43 AM David Oesper via groups.io <oesper=mac.com@groups.io> wrote:

All,

If anyone is interested in seeing where Rancho Hidalgo is, here are the coordinates of one of the entrances (if memory serves me correctly)—I haven't been there in a while.

31 56 38 N, 108 53 56 W Elevation: 4426 ft.

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Re: Rancho Hidalgo

David Oesper
 

Thanks, Lonnie! I may have had this once upon a time, but the 2015 Memorial Day weekend flood in Houston destroyed it along with most of my belongings.

I'd love to get the annotated version via private email to look at, if I may. I won't post that one publicly anywhere.

Thanks,

Dave

Re: Rancho Hidalgo

David Oesper
 

I'd be interested in staying at the airbnb when I visit. Could you share the details either here or in a private email?

Thanks,

Dave

Re: Rancho Hidalgo

Steve Taylor
 

I know a very nice little airbnb, about 5 miles away I can recommend wholeheartedly....if they're open....



On Tue, 4 Aug 2020 at 00:40, David Oesper via groups.io <oesper=mac.com@groups.io> wrote:

Thanks, Lonnie, I guess I'll need to contact Hidalgo County about what enforceable restrictions remain. I'm planning to visit Rancho Hidalgo later this year or early next year (as soon as the pandemic eases). Is anyone living there full time? Is there any on-site guest lodging?

Dave



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Re: Rancho Hidalgo

Steve Taylor
 

BTW I am planning on being there around Thanksgiving - Lizzy and I are hoping to camp in the house at least while we work on it.

Steve


On Tue, 4 Aug 2020 at 10:04, Steve Taylor <steveastrouk@...> wrote:
I got a version I annotated when Lonnie and I were getting the RH members we could find together, it has owner names on it.

On Tue, 4 Aug 2020 at 09:48, Lonnie Dittrick <Ldittrick1955@...> wrote:
Here is the original plat map

On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 12:43 AM David Oesper via groups.io <oesper=mac.com@groups.io> wrote:

All,

If anyone is interested in seeing where Rancho Hidalgo is, here are the coordinates of one of the entrances (if memory serves me correctly)—I haven't been there in a while.

31 56 38 N, 108 53 56 W Elevation: 4426 ft.

--
“The Universe declares Your Majesty.”
www.londittrickphotography.com



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Re: Rancho Hidalgo

Steve Taylor
 

I got a version I annotated when Lonnie and I were getting the RH members we could find together, it has owner names on it.

On Tue, 4 Aug 2020 at 09:48, Lonnie Dittrick <Ldittrick1955@...> wrote:
Here is the original plat map

On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 12:43 AM David Oesper via groups.io <oesper=mac.com@groups.io> wrote:

All,

If anyone is interested in seeing where Rancho Hidalgo is, here are the coordinates of one of the entrances (if memory serves me correctly)—I haven't been there in a while.

31 56 38 N, 108 53 56 W Elevation: 4426 ft.

--
“The Universe declares Your Majesty.”
www.londittrickphotography.com



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Re: Rancho Hidalgo

Lonnie Dittrick
 

Here is the original plat map


On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 12:43 AM David Oesper via groups.io <oesper=mac.com@groups.io> wrote:

All,

If anyone is interested in seeing where Rancho Hidalgo is, here are the coordinates of one of the entrances (if memory serves me correctly)—I haven't been there in a while.

31 56 38 N, 108 53 56 W Elevation: 4426 ft.

--
“The Universe declares Your Majesty.”
www.londittrickphotography.com

Re: Rancho Hidalgo

David Oesper
 

All,

If anyone is interested in seeing where Rancho Hidalgo is, here are the coordinates of one of the entrances (if memory serves me correctly)—I haven't been there in a while.

31 56 38 N, 108 53 56 W Elevation: 4426 ft.

Re: Rancho Hidalgo

David Oesper
 

Thanks, Lonnie, I guess I'll need to contact Hidalgo County about what enforceable restrictions remain. I'm planning to visit Rancho Hidalgo later this year or early next year (as soon as the pandemic eases). Is anyone living there full time? Is there any on-site guest lodging?

Dave

Re: Rancho Hidalgo

Lonnie Dittrick
 

Hi Dave, boy I’m up late tonight!   Anyways, I would have no objections.  I am still unsure about any enforceable restrictions upon which our community was built on.  It is very unclear what if any covenants are in force from the old HOA??
On my end (Western end) there is no building going on other than an access road I paid for so I could get up to my property. The Petersens (ranchers) who live just North of me acquired the ranch house and quite a few lots on the western end of RH.  

On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 11:43 PM David Oesper via groups.io <oesper=mac.com@groups.io> wrote:

Lonnie and Steve,

Just curious, if I wanted to build a small cohousing community on the 4 acres I own at Rancho Hidalgo, would I be allowed to do that?

Would there be any support for at least some of the other aspects of Mirador Astronomy Village at Rancho Hidalgo, or would the existing owners (including both of you) be resistant to that?

Thanks,

Dave

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Re: Rancho Hidalgo

David Oesper
 

That's encouraging, Steve! I just wrote the county to see if I can purchase a plat book that includes all of Rancho Hidalgo to see who owns what and what might still be available and where.

Thanks,

Dave

Re: Rancho Hidalgo

Steve Taylor
 

For me, we'd welcome more people. Whether four acres would be enough, I don't know, but we'll  toss in our  4 acres in with you - I think you ARE my northern neighbour. There's a lot of unknown ownership between our house and the lot we own however.

On Mon, 3 Aug 2020 at 23:43, David Oesper via groups.io <oesper=mac.com@groups.io> wrote:

Lonnie and Steve,

Just curious, if I wanted to build a small cohousing community on the 4 acres I own at Rancho Hidalgo, would I be allowed to do that?

Would there be any support for at least some of the other aspects of Mirador Astronomy Village at Rancho Hidalgo, or would the existing owners (including both of you) be resistant to that?

Thanks,

Dave



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